[00:00:09,184] [Jamie:] Hello and welcome to CoachCast by England Football Learning, the coaching podcast that brings you insight from people across the game. Today we're chatting to former international deaf footballer Ollie Monksfield who's now a coach on the Para Football Regional Emerging Talent Program to discover his journey so far and his advice for coaches working with deaf players. Hi Ollie, welcome to the show how are you?
[00:00:31,809] [Ollie:] I'm very well thank you and thanks for inviting me on the show.
[00:00:34,928] [Louise:] It's really nice to have you with us Olly, so can you start us off by telling us a little bit about your role and kind of paint a picture on what it is that you do?
[00:00:45,063] [Ollie:] So currently I support the FA with the RPTP programs and the NET programs developing deaf players mainly from the south and nationally to hopefully go on to the development program and potentially move on to become a potential England deaf player.
[00:01:03,639] [Jamie:] Brilliant, thank you very much for that. Now just before we discover more about you and your experiences as this is a coaching podcast coaches could be on the way to training while tuning into this so we always like to give them some great advice early on in the episode.
[00:01:17,533] [Louise:] Yep, so what we'll do is we'll put 30 seconds on the clock but we'll ask you to give us as many top coaching tips as you can in those 30 seconds. Does that sound okay?
[00:01:28,122] [Ollie:] That sounds great.
[00:01:29,224] [Louise:] Okay so I will put a timer up on the screen so when I start the timer give us as many top coaching tips as you can.
[00:01:36,835] [Ollie:] Okay so the first thing the coach needs to find out is the mode of communication the player prefers to communicate through. Make sure you've got their attention before giving instructions. Stay in one place. Visual cues and allow time for them to use their equipment and things you don't do speak really slowly. Don't cover your mouth and don't demonstrate and talk and last of all don't give up.
[00:02:07,791] [Louise:] Brilliant, that was good.
[00:02:09,378] [Jamie:] Thank you very much for those top tips Ollie, they were great. Right well let's dive straight into the main part of the show which is all about getting to know you Ollie and we'll start right at the beginning if that's okay because you lost your hearing at an incredible young age. Could you tell us a little bit about that and what life was like for you growing up please?
[00:02:28,989] [Ollie:] Yeah well I don't actually remember losing my hearing obviously because I was only about nine months old but I was born hearing and then unfortunately I had meningitis and luckily my mum being a nurse she diagnosed it took me straight in and I've been deaf ever since the age of nine months. My journey as a deaf person and a deaf footballer I've had my ups and downs don't get it wrong but I do feel the deaf players now compared to when I was playing have got a far more greater opportunity and more diverse, more accessible to be playing football at a very highest level possible.
[00:03:05,649] [Louise:] Could you tell us a little bit about what your experience of school and sport was like during your childhood and did you take any of those experiences or have you taken any of those experiences that you learn into being a coach and how have they helped you?
[00:03:21,121] [Ollie:] I think because I was good at sport it was a good outlet for me as a deaf person and one of the most common things that a deaf person does is being in the sports or outside they always stand back at the back of the group so they can see the demonstrations before going into the sessions. My experience of football it's been good I've always had good coaches and coaches have been supportive and understanding and enabled to help me develop my game over the years but as I went up the level it became more interesting because obviously more competition the more pressure the game become faster and the coaches were great but they were interesting times challenging times and I enjoyed a challenge but for someone like myself is able to talk and hear but don't assume that just because I can talk I can hear everything and that's where I think coaching may have got frustrated me because and players I might not heard on what's being said on the pitch and yeah there were some interesting times over the years of playing.
[00:04:28,039] [Jamie:] Ollie what was your very first experience of football like then?
[00:04:31,921] [Ollie:] My very first experience of football was in a sports hall with the old-fashioned green ball if you can remember them and the like a carpet green ball playing five-a-side with those long goals and the acoustics in the hall you couldn't hear anything and you used to be able to bounce the ball off the wall and they were great times yeah and I remember playing and still friends with my hearing friend now.
[00:04:55,882] [Louise:] So how long have you been involved with the game?
[00:04:58,750] [Ollie:] From the age of probably five I was playing right up to the age of 33 I'm 41 now so I continue playing club level until I was about 35 but then international level I stopped round about 32.
[00:05:14,991] [Jamie:] Can you tell us a little bit about your journey what that was like as a player starting off in the game as you say like playing in the sports hall to ultimately reaching a gold medal?
[00:05:25,864] [Ollie:] Yeah so I was in a mainstream school I was in the mainstream school with a deaf revision so I was involved but I was also in mainstream school and I played for the school team I played for a club outside just a regional football club and then when I reached about 15-16 that's when there was a deaf team called St John's Deaf Football Team we went to a tournament and they basically saw me and said they invited me to their deaf team and I'll be honest at that time I didn't know anything about deaf football I was still very what they call hearing world at the time now every deaf person you meet had their own journey of football my particular journey is obviously unique and then I went with the St John's and I went training with them and then within one a week later they said they wanted me to be in the first team the elevens we played on the old Sandy Astros if you can remember them they were awful they were I was 16 years old and I scored on my debut in a men's league on the wing there - no thanks to that deaf team that's where my recognition started to take off I continued to play for the St John's deaf team as well as the hearing team I also then went moved on to college and then that's where I was when I was at college I was doing the Academy emerging in Canterbury players we were linked with Leighton Orient at the time at the college so I was doing that and playing football for St John's and then I was playing for my hearing team at the time Highland Athletics Football Club and then since I reached about 18 that's when Great Britain came on the scenes, they said we'd like you to come to the trials and what they used to do then was they used to play all the best North players on the North and all the best players from the South used to come together and then that was the old traditional trials back then and then I basically emerged from that and then I went around I went around the country I've been all over the world with the GB squad playing friendlies and getting ready for the 2005 Deaf Olympics. Within that journey though I've managed to get myself up to with Highland Town Football Club who's I was with then Tommy Cunningham who used to be the Leighton Orient centre half and Chelsea many years ago I was with them for two seasons and they did a fantastic job with me at the time you know brought my fitness out they brought my game right forward and that was just leading me into the Deaf Olympics I was incredibly fit and then to be honest when we went to the Deaf Olympics bear in mind this was my first Olympics I didn't know what to expect when we obviously we won it but when we went into the tournament we were the underdogs really be honest we were the underdogs and we were a very young side at the side of I think I was 22-23 at the time and I think the oldest player in that squad at that time was 28 and youngest player was 18 and we were very fresh fit squad working hard like the old we went on to win the Deaf Olympics it was certainly an honour it's an experience I'll never forget.
[00:08:36,663] [Louise:] Congratulations on that that sounds brilliant. When did your interest in coaching start and how did you get involved?
[00:08:43,409] [Ollie:] So really it was when I was doing the college course I did what was equivalent as a B[Tech] course then and there was a unit where there was a coaching module and I did a coaching module at the college and we brought some youngsters in from primary school and I was coaching mainstream and then from there onwards I got involved with Tottenham Foundation doing disability sports I was in mainstream football for a while and then I got involved with a disability sport around about 19 and that's where I felt my energy and my enthusiasm and that's where I enjoy most of my coaching because I can relate to them and that's ever since then coaching has escalated from there really from the age of 18-19 really.
[00:09:27,372] [Jamie:] What was that first experience of coaching like for you? It certainly was challenging for me as a obviously within a mainstream setting being able to hear players the athletes so it was a big learning curve for me because I've had to let the participants know that I was deaf and then just be aware that I might not hear what they say and they were really cooperative and supportive and understanding really and then as the years have gone on it's almost like it's embedded in me now I do it at the start of every session just to make sure that every athlete or footballer aware that I'm deaf.
[00:10:05,230] [Louise:] So that sounds like potentially one of the challenges that you've had have you had any other barriers being a deaf coach and if you have how have you overcome those barriers? There's an automatic assumption that just because I can talk I can hear you and people make that assumption so don't always assume just because a deaf person can talk they're gonna always hear you and then they feel like they probably feel like you're being rude to them but you're not. Another barrier as well has come up where and I've learned over the years is with my hearing aids being outside in the rain obviously they're not waterproof so I've asked to take them out and really adapt myself and start looking at watching the players lips because I lip read quite a lot and then being outdoors as well is the astro if the lighting's not great you know some Astros lighting not always the greatest you can't always see the players bring them in there's challenges I've come across yeah.
[00:11:01,366] [Louise:] And how have you overcome them is it kind of just been talking about it and explaining to people or is there anything else that you've kind of done to kind of manage that? Again I've made it clear to my athletes or my footballers just let them know that my hearing aids broken I'm lucky enough because I can sign as well it's my second language with that signing I can sign at the same time and there's I can adapt through there as well that's my other alternative mode of communication if that's the best way of describing it to you. The other way is just making sure again the players are aware that there are challenges and sometimes instead of talking them into groups I've dealt with maybe on a one-to-one basis or smaller group that's an alternative way of I've done it before.
[00:11:47,648] [Louise:] Brilliant thank you.
[00:11:48,907] [Jamie:] What would you say you most enjoy about coaching?
[00:11:52,415] [Ollie:] I love the game forever involving players from my playing days to I'm watching the players today how much faster they are the game will never stop and deaf players now I think with this currently the current coaching structure we've got now I think making it more accessible for our deaf players up and down the country not just in disability avenue but in mainstream I'm hearing more and more deaf players in academies now which is fantastic to hear just makes me proud to hear that I think coaches are now becoming more understanding more deaf aware I think whereas back in my days I think and it was no disrespect to the coaches back then they probably just didn't have the knowledge or the understanding and I think the coaches today certainly have absolutely and and it's just really pleasing to hear there's deaf players that in those academies doing well and I hope every access for them to progress on to first-team football whatever level their player.
[00:12:57,608] [Louise:] Is there a place that you would recommend for coaches who don't necessarily know too much about coaching deaf players is there somewhere they could go to get some more information or how would you suggest? So funny enough I was I met with my boss from the FA Para team and if we was discussing this about last week and he was saying that they're actually going through the CPD course that you do on the FA and they're just doing the FA disability restructure they're doing that course at the moment once that's for all disabilities so you've got your blind you've got your deaf CP power chaired they're just kind of did it and I strongly recommend coaches to go on that once the FA you've got that up and running - yeah it's a good course I've done it myself and it's certainly opened the coach's eyes and support them.
[00:13:47,080] [Louise:] Brilliant thank you.
[00:13:48,538] [Jamie:] Yeah brilliant a really good shout out to point that out to any of the listeners that are interested in getting involved to check that out on the FA website for sure. Ollie what would you say the key attributes and skills people need to make them a transformational coach?
[00:14:02,511] [Ollie:] So just be positive I think sessions are developed well it coming from the coach the pace of the session the enthusiasm from the coach the sessions will develop and it all comes from the coach if the coach doesn't come across enthusiastic your player is not going to be enthusiastic. Goal-oriented, good knowledge, respectful and most of all with deaf players you're gonna have to be incredibly patient with them because obviously when you're working with deaf players you've got very wide range of mode of communication you can have players who can't talk and they sign you have an interpreter and you got to ensure they fully understood what you want from them in the session and sometimes that just takes that a little bit longer and that's why I say patience is massive but then also it's how you communicate for the deaf players as well because I've seen fantastic examples when with the first team where the coach taught and we got interpreters we've even had besides him where players prefer watching the signer they can watch the coach who taught but then also have a lip reader so they can just watch besides and they just talk but don't use their voice and they just mimic what the coach says and so all the players have accessibility to the sessions.
[00:15:20,445] [Louise:] That's really interesting.Just going back to your coaching career you've had lots and lots of different coaching experiences and teaching experiences. Are there three roles that you've had in the past that you think changed you the most and changed your coaching the most?
[00:15:36,625] [Ollie:] Yeah I would say the blind football has changed me as a coach.
[00:15:41,622] [Louise:] So what was your role in that?
[00:15:43,101] [Ollie:] I was the head coach of the London blind team at the time. Okay. And that was certainly a challenge in terms of communication and actually delivering my session because obviously the dynamics of that is completely different and the game nature of the game is very different because it's four players out on the pitch and you've got your fully sighted goalkeeper and then when the bit of the next challenge was is actually taking them to the game and actually communicating when you're not allowed to communicate because the rules slightly different so you have to adapt to that as well.
[00:16:17,110] [Jamie:] How did you adapt your communication in that setting then within blind football Ollie?
[00:16:22,587] [Ollie:] Well it's the way you talk to the players in terms of where do you want them on the pitch and describing where the ball is, what you want them to do with the ball at their feet because you can't just turn around and go do a step over. You actually physically break down the step over, positioning on the pitch, tell them where they are on the pitch etc. But blind players are incredible players. They really are. Every session I did with them they amazed me what they can do with the ball at their feet and yet I learned a lot from them. I spoke to the players individually what is it you want from me and I think the key thing was me actually talking to the players individually and knowing, getting to know them and how they want to be communicated.
[00:17:05,583] [Jamie:] Brilliant, thanks for that. Yeah it's absolutely fascinating insight there, thank you. Going back to some of your roles then in teaching, when you're working with someone who's showing some promise, how do you get the right balance between challenge and support in order to help them develop as a player?
[00:17:23,618] [Ollie:] So this is what Powered Team really have developed well now. They've got the infrastructure in place now where we've got the hub. So if I see a player, a deaf player, then I then contact who was in charge of a particular hub and I've direct them to that hub. Now if they do well there then they go up to the regionals and etc. And if they do well there then they progress on to nationals. But what I like what the Powered Team have done really well now is an open door policy where the players when they come they may go from hub to regional and then they stay at regional and then we will never push them up to the nationals unless we genuinely think they're good enough. And we've got such a fantastic system in place where we've seen the infrastructure and it works. I've just seen the England squad's Powered Team out in Tenerife and all of them working together and then a number of players who've come through these pathways. It's nearly 50% of these players and it's clearly showing that the hub, the infrastructure is working and the coaches we've got in now are fantastic from all disabilities not just from my disability but all the disability and it's certainly working really well. Now again we do really make sure we match the levels for those players and I like to think that we've got excellent coaches to address that.
[00:18:53,295] [Louise:] Going back to teaching again with your experience of teaching. Do you have any advice for teachers who might be struggling to integrate a deaf child in a mainstream school PE lesson?
[00:19:07,612] [Ollie:] Yeah if a PE teacher is confident enough have a chat with that particular deaf female male and ask them what mode of communication they like. Now they might depend on what the school they're in. They might have an interpreter you don't know they might have what's called a CSW so now a PE teacher can talk to their CSW and talk and say look am I talking too fast am I talking too slow can you let me know but then if you've got someone a deaf student who is able to talk and access the lesson put them to one side and just have a obviously not in front of the group but don't sing them out just say look are you able to access the lesson is there anything I can do for you. The biggest for me I think is for them is visual cues. Absolutely visual cues is the biggest one so the whiteboards now when you bring the whiteboards when you use it you're doing it for them but you can do it for the class so it doesn't look like you're singling them out please don't ever single them out they will feel and then you know that it's about their deafness so yeah I think the biggest for me is for PE teachers is visual cues but as a class not for the individual.
[00:20:14,362] [Jamie:] Yeah thanks for that that's really good really good advice there. Can you tell us all about the para talent pathway then and how deaf footballers can get involved Ollie?
[00:20:24,155] [Ollie:] Yes so up and down the country we've got deaf scouts and we've got various various hubs now if parents if I see a deaf player and I feel I'll probably go and watch them at their club wherever it's deaf mainstream football I then make contact with the various people in the FA that are designated in charge of those roles I then talk to them and then say look I've got this player here I do a report on this particular player I pass it on to the FA and they base the decision on my report right I think this player should go to the hub so that's the starting point and then once if we feel this this player's doing well and developing well then we move up to regionals and then once they're in the regionals regionals is for eight to 18 year olds and then they usually stay on with us and we keep a close monitor on them and they communicate with us and how they're getting on in terms of their clubs and things like that and then we do with the regionals we have three so we have obviously the south which is London based so all your south players then you have the midlands and then you've got your north which is Manchester etc and then those players those top end players not the young players obviously the national there we then start to look at can they progress onto the national squads where they come up to Liddy Shore for the weekend and get uh coach I coach the men's males and then we've got the cp players there we've got the female players there we've got the power wheelchair players there and the blind football players there and what's fantastic about that is it's the whole power team together and together and they all communicate with each other so the deaf players actually play with the cp players and because there's ability wise there's not a lot of difference and it's certainly challenging and then if they reach 16 onwards the first team coach the coach will come down and have a look and see if they can feel, they can go on to the development squad if they do make the development squad then they'll be going progressing onto that and then from the development squad and if depending how well they are there and then they go into the university and that's across all power groups by the way so which is again what I was saying earlier I wish I had all this when I was playing because it's such a such a fantastic opportunity and fantastic infrastructure it really is.
[00:22:49,452] [Louise:] Sounds like a really exciting journey for anybody involved in that and also watching people progress through it must be really exciting as well. Oh yeah yeah. We may have covered this slightly but in case you've got any other tips for us. As this episode will initially go out during Deaf Awareness Week what top tips do you have for coaches who work or are looking to work with deaf football players?
[00:23:13,828] [Ollie:] Going to see if you can get yourself on a BSL signing course. If you can get yourself on a BSL level one course just get the basics. I know deaf players they would really appreciate that because they they can see that the coach has made the effort they can give the basic signs then you're you're building that relationship with that player rather than through the interpreter if that makes sense and if they can go and find yourself a level one BSL course. Just be patient be really patient because deaf players just take that a little bit longer I feel. The other thing is I do feel one of the biggest things you're going to find yourself repeating a lot you will have to repeat a lot because deaf players just need that a little bit longer and sometimes that repetition and understanding and sometimes what I would say is a penny drops yeah yeah um and yet don't give up just don't give up just because there's one way doesn't work there's always another way there's always a way of supporting deaf players in football you just sometimes have to find a way but yeah be patient and don't give up.
[00:24:15,772] [Jamie:] Yeah great insight there. Ollie you mentioned earlier with regards to communicating in deaf football like on match day being a bit different can you give us a bit of insight into that and then any top tips to help coaches improve their maybe the touchline communication skills at all?
[00:24:30,144] [Ollie:] So prior to the game have an agreed communication visual cue with that player so again the player will be looking over the coach quite a lot now it can be visual cues again but having prior to that game have an agreement with the player what the visual cues means certain instructions again go and find out not so much go on the BSL level one but find out these signs for the football terminology this like defending signs the attacking sign the word sign for passing tackle mark man man press so you can do those and make that deaf player can see that sign then he's more likely he's going to pick it up very quickly but again you need to get to know your player as well but have agreed visual cues prior to that game.
[00:25:22,672] [Louise:] You've mentioned that you use sign language but we've found out that you use British Sign Language BSL but also SSE which is Sign Support English - can you tell us what the difference is between those and explain yeah and explain how and when you use them?
[00:25:39,910] [Ollie:] So BSL British Sign Language you don't use your voice at all the grammar structure is completely different best way to probably describe to you is imagine looking at a paid word document with in BSL without endings you can't hear the s's and ed's and no past and present tense in it that's probably the best way to describe to you I think now you've got SSE now if I as I'm talking to you I can sign at the same time that's sign support English so I'm using my voice at the same time again it's in line with how we speak but BSL they've got a complete structure of grammar completely different and then you've got your own which is me I'm all so someone who speaks yeah I think that's probably the best way to describe it to you I think.
[00:26:25,923] [Louise:] Do you decide which of those to use depending on who you're communicating with and what they prefer?
[00:26:30,930] [Ollie:] I've got a luxury of being able to adapt so I can if I come to a BSL player I can change that my language into BSL I mean I can sign without my voice and then if I see a player who's SSE I can sign SSE it's a lovely skill to have.
[00:26:46,882] [Jamie:] Yeah Ollie really really important skills to have there and do you think that having that ability do you think that makes you a little bit like of a role model for young people especially like deaf players and do you see yourself as a role model at all?
[00:26:59,052] [Ollie:] Yeah I like to see myself as a role model and supporting players young players even first team players in the England squad right now they come to me with some advice and support what it's like at playing on tour and things like that I've even had the first team coach Andy Smith when he he came to he's asked me for some advice because he's he's hearing he's just wanted some tips because obviously when when you go to deaf tournaments they call it as we call it the hearing world and deaf world when you immerse in that deaf world it's interesting it really is but challenging yeah because it's it's not something it's not like a hearing world where you can go to a tournament because you're you're dealing with officials who are deaf you're dealing with the organizers who are deaf so it's almost like in if as I say a hearing person now has become deaf because it's reversed so yeah I'm in regular contact with players they sometimes facetime me they talk to me and I'm always there to support and what what they need.
[00:27:59,651] [Louise:] Brilliant, you've worked in quite a few roles where the focus is on supporting disabled people into sport what are the main barriers and how do we ensure that there are more people with disabilities getting involved in sport?
[00:28:14,277] [Ollie:] I think it's more to do with understanding and having the knowledge be able to differentiate your sessions to involve any player with disability into your sessions and don't be afraid yeah don't be afraid just because they're deaf just because they're blind they're just as capable they're just as capable but it's just about you being able to adapt your session and try and support that player making sure that they feel very really involved when I used to do the pan disability I used to have players in one session in one session I used to have players with cerebral palsy deaf and I had one blind player in that session don't get me wrong it was chaos but great fun absolutely kids every player was involved and that particular blind player who's now I'm doing one-to-one with he's now on the national program because of that he started at the age of six now he's now on the national program and he was with me when he was six holding on to my leg involved in my session now it's it's just just being as a coach just being able to adapt and don't be afraid to give it a go and you don't know until you try really
[00:29:23,952] [Jamie:] That must make you very proud in that instance I'm sure there's many other instances of that happening as well.
[00:29:30,215] [Ollie:] Oh yeah I mean it's for me it makes me feel really proud and it's just about opening doors for just opening doors and it's nice to hear when I hear other players who are currently I hear one blind player who I used to coach he's now in England first team blind team and it's all just because we open those doors that's all it is it's giving them opportunities as early as they can really.
[00:29:51,035] [Jamie:] Talking about opening doors do you think compared to when you were younger there's more opportunities more doors open for for younger players and coaches now in para football.
[00:30:00,527] [Ollie:] Oh absolutely absolutely I think there's more way more opportunities for any player with disabilities and opportunities in football now absolutely and I wish like I said earlier I wish I had all this when I was playing because when I was playing at 16 years old to 18 year old I went straight into the men's team which when I look back then I do feel like well that was a big challenge I just took it in my stride but I could have done with maybe this program and infrastructure in place and probably made me a who knows might have made me a better player but I've managed to play what I did but yeah oh god I wish I had that there you go.
[00:30:37,399] [Jami:] I'd say that you've a pretty good player without it as well but yeah of course it's great to hear that there's more opportunities with that pathway available to people now.
[00:30:45,836] [Ollie:] Absolutely it's not just deaf football but I'm hearing more cp players are playing mainstream football as well now I'm doing a few part of the national program I do some consultations so I go and see those players and how they're getting on in their mainstream football and it's really nice to see I just saw a female player last week absolutely fantastic she's so immersed into the program and she's seeing that now is you wouldn't see that back in my time it's just fantastic to see it really is
[00:31:14,287] [Louise:] well it's been really good talking to you about your experiences and getting some tips from you but finally could we just ask if you've got any advice for aspiring coaches?
[00:31:25,055] [Ollie:] Yeah for aspiring coaches just if you give disability sport a go it's not as daunting as people think it is and don't be afraid have a go they're just as capable as mainstream football but you just again you have to adapt yourself if you're willing to adapt yourself you'll see the changes in these players with disability.
[00:31:44,852] [Jamie:] Brilliant thanks ollie right well we're coming up to the end of the show now but that means it is time for our swift session feature
[00:31:53,474] [Louise:] Yep so it's another 30 second challenge but this time we ask you to describe to us a session idea in 30 seconds are you up for the challenge - if you're ready, time starts now.
[00:32:09,404] [Ollie:] So i tend to do a technical warm-up session with the players - like to do ronardo sessions where players do uh four four in the middle what uh two players and then four on the outside and then um bring on then i start bringing in the uh goals the mini goals to challenge the players to be able to switch play um and then i'll immerse that into a small sided game.
[00:32:39,060] [Louise:] time's up again god it goes quickly doesn't it it does especially when it's in front of you.s
[00:32:50,099] [Louise:] It's a real pleasure guys i hope I've been all right i certainly enjoyed it anyway
[00:32:53,589] [Jamie:] Thank you very much for being on it's been great having you on coach casting and for sharing your inspiring story and your coaching advice for everybody so yeah we hope you've enjoyed it it's been great listening to you so thank you very much Ollie -
[00:33:05,956] [Ollie:] Thanks mate I really appreciate it
[00:33:08,389] [Jamie:] right well Louise that was a really nice chat with Ollie and really insightful what would you say your kind of key points are from that chat?
[00:33:17,607] [Louise:] i think one that was really simple to remember and kind of to bring into your sessions is if you are coaching deaf players just to have a bit of patience that they might need to you to repeat things a few times and just be patient in getting those messages across to people
[00:33:34,820] [Jamie:] Yeah i think that's a really good point that Ollie made there and another one that i picked upon was kind of just getting to know your players on an individual level and understanding how they would like communication to be so whether that be visual cues whether it be from through signing just just really understanding what they want so that you can make your sessions more accessible - right well that is all we have time for today but don't forget to check out the episode description for the transcription of this episode and for all the links to our platforms there you will be able to click through to the england football community this is where you can post your coaching questions for us to discuss on the podcast or just simply to connect with loads of wonderful coaches yes