Red Card Sanctions

What do other leagues do in respect of red card sanctions?

In the Oxfordshire Walking Football League, we play rounds of fixtures once a month and a player receiving a red card is (a) banned for the rest of the games that day and (b) also banned from the next 2 rounds of games. 

However, standard County FA rules for 'regular' football normally dictate a 2 'match' ban.  We consider a 2 'match' ban equates to our 2 rounds, as if we had to strictly comply with the word 'matches' a player could then potentially turn up at the very next round of games, sit out the first two games and then play in the remain matches that day - hardly a great deterent!

Discuss......

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  • We had something very similar after our first match day where someone was given a red card and their ban was from "all Sunday football" until "3 matches were played". We queried this with the county FA and they said that there was no way around the sanction, but for us that would have given the person a whole match day ban, but still not felt to be a good enough sanction. However, as he was banned from all football, it meant that he also couldn't play for another walking football team in a different league so there were other consequences in our case. 

  • Thanks Hannah - looks like this could be a real grey area and certainly not suited to the way most walking football competitions/leagues are run.  Hopefully, we might get some steer/direction from the FA...and at best confirm that we can adopt an approach that the FA's standard one match ban eqautes to walking football's one round of matches on a single day, so long as we make it crystal clear in our individual league competition rules at th outset...

  • To put more context around this particular incident - the player was red carded in the very last game of the round robin event, so no more games that day to ban him from.

    The referee correctly reported the red card via the FA system online.

    Our local FA in turn imposed a 3-match ban. 

    It was for violent contact towards another player - witnessed by quite a few individuals on the sidelines including myself.  He was totally out of order and very obvious that the 'red mist' had descended on him!

    This now leaves us with the dilemma of what '3 matches' actually means - Our next round of games is at the start of July and his team will be playing 5 games that day....

    So, can he play in the 4th and 5th games that day, or should he be banned from all games in our July, Aug and Sept rounds?

  • the dilemma here is what seems morally correct and right and what the FA states. Personally the latter sounds more appropriate to me.Is there anything within the league constitution or rules that caters for such an event? If you take the refs training from trainee to no longer trainee. It said 5 games or 3 tournaments / league meetings with multiple games. There is therefore an implication that a single 15 minute game let's say is not the same as a 90 min game and the rounds are more comparable to a 90 min game. Albeit somewhere in between the two. I really would not be happy with a simple 3 game ban.

  • I am absolutely in agreement with you, but it does need the FA to lead with this.....we can't simply make up local rules, especially as some of these players also play in adjoining County FA leagues - so things need to be consistent across the board

  • Don't get me wrong. I totally agree in that it needs to be consistent. Technically the only deviance away from the laws in local league rules is around sin bin time wrt to sanctions and that's it. Waiting for the FA sometimes is an eternity, sorry FA, so we placed this specific rule in a long time ago and make a point of it before every league event. To date, never been used. 

  • I believe the ban should be based on what the red card was issued for. WFA Laws still have the issuing of a red card for a DOGSO offence, unless there was a genuine attempt to play the ball. However, a red card would be issued if a player is daft enough to receive two blue cards in the same match. (Both FA & WFA Law), but should the same punishment apply to a player that is guilty of a violent conduct offence or serious foul play (much more serious) ? 

  • As you can see Russell the length of ban is already dependent on the actual offence, but we have the issue of aligning the length of the ban more appropriately to the differing lengths of matches used within walking football. 

  • Not wanting to state the obvious or indeed put any pressure on the FA but...... with WF getting more and more competitive in leagues etc and people's desire to win at odds with the ethos of walking football sadly I feel we are going to get more and more cases of what John originally posted and we do need representative sanctions for WF sooner rather than later to hopefully act as deterrent or indeed remove the worse offenders from our game. As at the end of the day it is only a game and lots of people are losing sight of this. It's Walking Football after all. Not football.

  • Well said Chris...we do need this resolved by the FA as soon as practical - in our case, a suspension of 3 x 15 minutes games (meaning the player can then play in games 4 and 5 on same day, simply isn't harsh enough for violent conduct and very aggressive behaviour.....which continued after the game when the player walked all the way around the pitch to continue his uncalled for verbal attack on the opposition player!

  • Actually you raise an interesting point in your reply.
    When a player is blue carded. He/She should really go to a specific sin bin area technically. But as we all know they player just goes back to the side where the subs/manager etc are.
    When a player is red carded and specifically for the kind of behaviour/dismissal you mention they should be removed not just from the field of play but from the venue itself. This should be raised also. Not just the length of the suspension but also what it means. As in 11 side it is off to the changing rooms. 
    Might sound harsh but honestly if I was reffing that game I would have them removed/ejected and stop the game until such time they are removed. And put the onus on the team manager. 
    I really don't know what is the matter with some players/people... there are totally in the wrong sport.

  • In this actuall case, the violent conduct occurred right at the very end of the game - maybe 1 or 2 mins before the end - he did leave the pitch and start walking towards the exit but after the game finished he then proceeded round to the other side of the pitch to remonstrate with the opposition.....nothing the ref could have done at the time unfortunately....but you are right, he is probably in the wrong sport and we will be watching him closely when he returns to play....

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  • In this actuall case, the violent conduct occurred right at the very end of the game - maybe 1 or 2 mins before the end - he did leave the pitch and start walking towards the exit but after the game finished he then proceeded round to the other side of the pitch to remonstrate with the opposition.....nothing the ref could have done at the time unfortunately....but you are right, he is probably in the wrong sport and we will be watching him closely when he returns to play....

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